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Barbara H. Peterson

Farm Wars

I had a dream around two weeks ago. I saw four horses milling around together, rearing, snorting, and charging. The most distinct one was the white one, with the red, black, and pale ones in the background. Then I saw a tank come straight at me, and then I woke up. When I saw the horses I thought Apocalypse. When I saw the tank, I didn’t know what to think. I do now. I believe that this dream foretold what is to come. The four horses are here, they are active right now, and the war machine is rolling that will take out a good portion of the earth. No, I was not afraid in my dream, and I am not afraid now.

If this is Scripture coming to fulfillment, then I will trust in my Creator to safeguard me through it all and lead me to do what is necessary. I write this to those who have ears to hear and eyes to see. Prepare….

Apocalyptic Times

As a student of Scripture, it has become quite apparent to me that the question of the day is, are we living in Apocalyptic times as envisioned by the writers of ancient texts such as the Bible, or are the series of events that are unfolding as I type just mere coincidences with no connection to Scripture or significance to what is known in Biblical circles as end time events?

If you believe like I do that Biblical Scripture has significance and is not simply a book to be cast aside as having no useful value, then you are probably asking yourself that very same question. So, let’s take a little stroll down Scripture lane and compare what we see to what is happening right now. Are the four horsemen of the Apocalypse here, or are they awaiting some future time to appear?

The Four Horsemen

The following verses are taken from the KJV (King James Version) of the Bible:

Rev. 6:1 – And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, come and see.

Rev. 6:2 – And I saw, and behold, a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

This horse represents a position of power and leadership – One that is equipped to engage in war and conquest.

Rev. 6:3 – And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, come and see.

Rev. 6:4 – And there went out another horse that was red and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

This horse represents the ability to make war and remove peace from the earth. How long have we been hearing that in order to have peace we must bomb the life out of everyone and everything anywhere people exist that disagree with our politics? Just how long have we as a country been engaged in war for peace?

Rev. 6:5 – And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, come and see. And I beheld, and lo a Black horse, and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

Rev. 6:6 – And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, a measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Let’s go to a word search for the meanings of the words “measure” and “penny:”

Penny: Strong’s NT 1220: denarion – from Latin – a denarius, or ten asses.

Measure: Strong’s NT 5518: choinix – of uncertain derivation; a dry measure

So, the exact measure of wheat is uncertain, but in the NIV (New International Version) of the Bible, it is translated as “quart.”

According to these verses then, a quart of wheat goes for an amount equal to the price of ten asses, and three quarts of barley for the same amount. Pretty spendy. Although not quite there yet, it appears that food prices are on the rise, and with the impending war on Syria, we can expect them to go even higher.

Rev. 6:7 – And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, come and see.

Rev. 6:8 – And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill [Strong’s 615: to kill outright or figuratively to destroy] with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

That is self-explanatory. There will be lots of destruction going on, and a fourth part of the earth will be destroyed along with its inhabitants.

Okay, let’s see what we have so far – Four horses, and four pronouncements:

1. The White horse, representing leadership – one that is equipped to engage in war and conquest.

2. The Red horse, representing the power to engage in war and take peace from the earth.

3. The Black horse, representing a huge increase in price resulting in a shortage of food for those who cannot afford it.

4. The Pale horse, destroying a fourth part of the earth with sword, hunger and death.

Connecting the Dots

Now let’s connect a few dots, assuming that these verses are prophecy.

We can already see that the White and Red horses are working amongst us. We are poised on the brink of yet another war for conquest in Syria, which is merely another nation that the U.S. government has decided needs to be bombed into oblivion, and we are on the fast track to do that now. The plan is in motion, and the only thing needed is the order to do it. We have been in a constant state of aggressive warfare for years, and it is only getting worse.

The Black horse has been steadily increasing its influence in the realm of food freedom grabs such as Monsanto’s grip on the food supply via seed patenting, people facing huge fines and jail time for merely attempting to grow some of their own food, bans on raw milk and its distribution, and the war on clean, organic food grown without deadly pesticides and GMOs (genetically modified organisms).  We can also face a huge increase in prices of everything due to the pending war in Syria.

The Pale horse has entered the gate also, and is steadily gaining momentum through food shortages, food monopolies, wars, water pollution, and catastrophes such as Fukushima.

So, are we merely waiting for these prophecies to start, or are we already there, smack dab in the middle of them? I think we are already there, and it is only a matter of time before the Pale horse is fully out of the gate and on its way to the finish line.

The time for preparation is now. If you believe in Scripture and are waiting for these prophecies to begin, you are too late. They are being fulfilled as I type, and are on the ground running. If you don’t believe in Biblical Scripture as anything but an historical book, then you will still find the revelations contained therein strikingly similar to current events. In any case, it is time to take a good, hard look at what is going on around us and do some planning for future survival.

©2013 Barbara H. Peterson

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81 Responses to “Apocalypse Today – The Four Horsemen”

  1. “Create”

    Strong’s H1254

    bara’

    Root Word (Etymology)
    A primitive root

    to create, shape, form

    (Qal) to shape, fashion, create (always with God as subject)

    of heaven and earth

    of individual man

    of new conditions and circumstances

    of transformations

    “Formed”

    Strong’s H3335

    to form, fashion, frame

    (Qal) to form, fashion

    of human activity

    of divine activity

    of creation

    of original creation

    of individuals at conception

    of Israel as a people

    to frame, pre-ordain, plan (fig. of divine) purpose of a situation)

    (Niphal) to be formed, be created

    (Pual) to be predetermined, be pre-ordained

    (Hophal) to be formed

    I think you are reading too much into the differences of the meanings of these two words, Greg. I do not doubt that there might have been other creations. It actually reads more like “In a beginning.” However, that there were two separate creations of Adam in this particular beginning cannot be proven by what you have presented. There are many things in Scripture that are repeated, and not everything is in chronological order. Different words can be used for the same meanings such as baby, child, offspring, etc. People take literary license with words all the time. And in Hebrew, there are subtleties to convey slightly different nuances.

  2. Greg says:

    Hey Phil,

    In regards to who Cain was afraid of it was other people already there. We read right over it in most cases, because we are taught from day one that Adam and Eve were the first people.

    Anyway, I’ll list the reasons why and you can do what you want with it.

    The creation events in Chapter one and Chapter two of Genesis are not the same. The events are not even in the same order, so it’s not a repeat performance.

    If a Strong’s concordance is not used to get Hebrew translations of words it’s harder to catch.

    Gen 1:27 God CREATED them, both male and female. No Adam’s rib involved here. Told to multiply. Given dominion over animals and fish, but no names were given, so wild animals.

    Strong’s Hebrew for Created:

    CREATED: Hebrew word # 1254; bara’ – to shape, to fashion, to create (always with God as subject) used of individual man, used of new conditions and circumstances, to be created, used of birth, used of something new.

    There was no rain yet either.

    That’s it everyone was created then. Finished.

    THEN,

    Adam is FORMED, not created.
    Strong’s for Formed:

    FORMED: Hebrew word # 3335; yatsar – to form, to fashion, to frame, used of human activity, used of divine activity, used of Israel as a people, to frame, to pre-ordain, to plan (figurative of divine) to purpose of a situation, to be predetermined, to be pre-ordained, to be formed.

    Adam was formed for a divine purpose. To be the lineage of the coming Savior for all of mankind.

    He was a farmer as well. Gen 2:5-6 mist from the ground and God had no man to TIL the ground. He names beast of FIELD.

    The most striking evidence that this is not the same story repeated, along with what I’ve already listed, is that the events are NOT in the same order.

    In Gen 1, the plants and animals were created BEFORE man(kind) was created.

    In Gen 2, the plants and animals were formed AFTER the man Adam was formed.

    Anyway, that’s my take on it. Also helps to explain all the different races of people on the planet, unless one wants to believe in some kind of evolutionary process. Also better explanation that marrying into the family and somehow crazy uncle Cain was completely forgiven for killing his brother. He married in the land of Nod in Genesis 4:16-17. Pretty much right after the verse that he left the Garden, hence my assumption he got married.

    I realize some call this the 6th day creation, and some knuckleheads turn it into a racist manner. ALL races were created on 6th day, Gen: Chapter one. So please no comparisons to some racist teaching, only reading the Bible for what it says.

    He knew his wife and conceived Enoch.

  3. Phil K says:

    Barbara,

    Excellent link about the three cities. Perhaps the combination “the Crown” is Mystery Babylon?

    But when reading it, a verse comes to mind:

    For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
    Ephesians 6:12 NKJV

    It seems even more true after reading that page.

    Phil

  4. Phil K says:

    Greg,

    Where does the idea come from that Adam & Eve had only three children? They had many children, boys and girls (Gen 5:4). To imply that “Eve” (Why not Adam too?) would not let a daughter marry Cain is irrational because we don’t know the ages of the main characters at the time of the murder. Seth was born when Adam was 130 and it is logical that Eve was somewhat younger than Adam, so Cain & Able could have been up to perhaps 100 or even more. Keep in mind that Adam was created as a full grown adult (Man) and Eve created as a full grown woman. It is not difficult to believe that at the time of the murder, the brothers were old enough to have fathered a few generations of descendants themselves. It’s very possible that many, many, children were born to them and the earth had a rapidly growing population. The murder takes on much more significance it the brothers were themselves patriarchs. The way you speak, you infer that Cain was married after he murdered his brother. Where do you get that assumption from?

    A vital factor to keep in mind is at that time there was no law against marrying and having children with a sibling or a cousin or for that matter even incest between parents and their children. Adam was married to his opposite gender clone! Even ten generations after the Flood, Abraham married his half sister. And his nephew Lot had sons by his own daughters (their doing, not his). All these things were before the Law. Even after the Law, the Levirite marriage law of birthright inheritance, important to the line of the messiah with Ruth and Mary, was to be within the same tribe of Israel.

    As far as who would want to take vengeance and kill Cain, there would have been many descendants of Able and Adam that would. It’s important to keep in mind there was no Law at this time. Vengeance against Cain was not allowed by the Lord by the mark He placed on him. He had already been cursed. Before the Flood, it is a wholly different paradigm.

    You say that Cain is the line of the evil seed. But the enmity is between the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent. The seed of the serpent does not need to be Cain. The seed of the serpent was likely generated by the Sons of God (The Disobedient) who had relations with the daughters of Men (Gen 6). That hybrid race which are now disembodied spirits is very likely the origins of demons. And cross gender demonization in humans by demons “born that way” at the Flood may be the cause of homosexuality (The Rainbow Connection).

    But that evil seed needed to survive in human form through the Flood too. If one or more of the four women in the Ark were of that genealogy, particularly Ham’s wife, then that may explain bad characters like Canaan (and the Nephillim type in the land of Canaan) and most especially Nimrod.

    So yes, there is an evil seed in the world, and the world is once again polluted with it “as it was in the days of Noah” which is why it’s just about time for Jesus to clean house!

    Phi

  5. I was just looking something up and came across this:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/2656.....ity-States

    Notice that the power is called the “crown.” Could this be the rider of “The White horse, representing leadership – one that is equipped to engage in war and conquest?”

  6. I was merely using a figure of speech, and not conducting a personal attack, Greg ;)

  7. Greg says:

    As you can see, there is a lot of confusion. Most people just lump everyone together and start slinging accusations. There are many other nationalities, races and religious persuasions in charge of the economy, yet the focus is always on the Jews, with no clear definition of what the meaning is of that word. This is ignorance, and has been propagated by none other than a person who is venerated by the so-called “liberty” movement, Eustace Mullins. He wrote a vile book titled “The Biological Jew” in which he equates Jews to parasites. This is just more filth stemming from the bowels of depravity such as the “Constantine Creed” that I previously posted.
    Hey Barbara,

    Well my apologies them, as I took it as such. You wrote this below after I wrote about this exact topic in previous post.

    Using ONE instead of YOU is what I saw when speaking of ignorance and prejudices.

    “In my opinion, it is time to rise up out of the trenches of ignorance, put our prejudices behind us, and start looking at people for what and who they are, and not what religion or race they are affiliated with. I don’t care if a Globalist is a Jew, Catholic, Hungarian, German, Russian, American, Mexican, Protestant, Atheist, or whatever label you want to put on him/her. If he/she is a Globalist and is working for the NWO, then that person is working for the dark side. Period. Any other division is merely a distraction.”

  8. Greg,

    Disagreement is not an “ad hominem” attack. Please see this definition from Merriam Webster online:

    1: appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect
    2: marked by or being an attack on an opponent’s character rather than by an answer to the contentions made

    There have been no personal character attacks on anyone in this discussion.

  9. Greg says:

    @ Barbara

    This is going how most Bible studies I have ever attended has gone. MOst will say have an open mind until someone disagrees with the majority of the studiers.

    Not sure why everything has to be labeled as doctrine. I simply read the Bible for what it says and that’s it. Don’t know what British Israeli is nor have ever studied it nor the other dude that wrote something about jews who you obviously have disdain for.

    The ad hominem attack is not accurate in this case.

    I use common sense when using the Bible. It all started for me when Cain was afraid of someone killing him. Gen 4:14. Then who did he marry? Like, Eve would let a daughter marry Cain. Just absurd. Anyway, Well if Adam/Eve were the only people then who would he be afraid of? So what I was taught was not correct, so went looking for answer. Not asking for answers to that questions as I already know, just wanted to let you know my line of thinking.

    So my bible says that there are two seed lines that battle things out Gen 3:15

    My bible also says that one seed line becomes great, settles the islands and spreads in all direction. NOt going to put those verses down again, as put in earlier post.

    Jesus mentions it again in John 8:44 about this evil seed line.

    1 John 3:12 mentions cain again, as from that wicked one.

    Jude 1:4 falls into line with this as well, although doesn’t specifically mention Kenites.

    Jhn 19:38 even Joseph has to secretly grab Jesus body for “fear of the jews:

    All over 1 John and 2 John talks about those not believeing Crhist came in the flesh are of the spirit of the antichrist.

    Rev 2:9 and 3:9 talk about beware of those that call themselves jews but are NOT. Goes as far to use the term the synagogue of Satan.

    This is the last I’ll speak of it, unless someone would like to address these for me. Like I said before I don’t dismiss anything,but if someone would like to explain to me what other possible explanation there is for this let me know.

    Jesus is obviously warning us here and, in my opinion, based on reading what my Bible says, I see it all as endtime prophecy. Withe present day israel posing as House of Isreal, trying to fulfill prophecy before it’s ordained time. And pardon my French, but hell yeah it’s hard to grasp, it’s supposed to be.

    There would be no other way to fool Christians into worhsiping satan as Christ, without such great deception.

    As far as for anyone else reading all these posts here would be my best advice and MOST important thing to remember. As long as you are still in your fleshly body, DO NOT worship any being as Christ. HE is an antichrist.

    When you are transformed into your spiritual body, you’ll know it’s are messiah Jesus.

  10. Phil,

    I think the confusion lies in the timing. My understanding is that the gathering occurs when Messiah comes back. The first time, He came to fulfill the law and show the way. He did not take the sceptre from Judah at that time. The second time He comes will be the gathering, and that is when He will be handed the sceptre.

  11. P.S. Zedekaiah was the last king. There will not be another until Messiah returns. Ezekiel makes this clear:

    Eze 21:26

    Thus saith the Lord GOD; Remove the diadem, and take off the crown: this shall not be the same: exalt him that is low, and abase him that is high.

    Eze 21:27

    I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.

  12. Phil,

    I look to the original Hebrew and understand that the Almighty does not change his laws or commands.

    Look at the definitions for the Hebrew words at the link I supplied and not simply another translation. Sceptre is not merely the authority to administer capital punishment, it is spiritual authority over all of Israel. The Torah, or law, forbade putting to death the Messiah because it would have been murder. He did nothing wrong and they knew it. He was a threat to their usurped authority. The Scriptures state that the sceptre shall not depart from Judah and it hasn’t. That would be against the Almighty’s own Word.

    You asked:

    “My question is, when and how did the British Throne come to say they are of the Davidic line and had somehow regained that authority since to Him shall be the obedience of the people? Do you think Charles or William are therefore candidates for the A/C?”

    Anyone can claim authority, whether or not that claim is true or not. Scripturally, it is not. The one who yields the true authority is the Messiah. Antichrist means opposed to or against the Messiah. We are all looking for one person who is the antihrist, when there are many according to the definition.

    1Jo 2:18

    Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

    1Jo 2:22

    Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

    1Jo 4:3

    And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    2Jo 1:7

    For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

    As for a name or names? I don’t know, and at this point won’t even venture a guess as this could refer to the spirit of the antichrist.

  13. Phil K says:

    Barbara,

    I understand that the scepter is not a physical item but is the authority to admisister capital punishment. And the Jews lost that authority during the Roamn occupation after the birth of Christ which explains this verse:
    .
    [31] Then Pilate said to them, “You take Him and judge Him according to your law.” Therefore the Jews said to him, “It is not lawful for us to put anyone to death,”
    John 18 NKJV

    My question is, when and how did the British Throne come to say they are of the Davidic line and had somehow regained that authority since to Him shall be the obedience of the people? Do you think Charles or William are therefore candidates for the A/C?

    The NKJV has a diferent translation of the verse you supplied:
    [10] The scepter shall not depart from Judah, Nor a lawgiver from between his feet, Until Shiloh comes; And to Him shall be the obedience of the people.
    Genesis 49:10 NKJV

  14. I look to Genesis for this, Phil, and this is what I have understood:

    Gen 49:10

    The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

    Look at the meaning of sceptre here: http://www.blueletterbible.org.....#038;t=KJV

    This is not a physical thing in this context, but the authority. Messiah sprang from the tribe of Judah, and the authority (sceptre) belongs to Him. The authority shall not depart from the tribe of Judah (His tribe) until Messiah comes to use it to gather His people. Authority belongs to Him, and remains the inheritance of His birth tribe who holds it for His return at the end times. All tribes have different functions and different inheritances:

    Num 36:7

    So shall not the inheritance of the children of Israel remove from tribe to tribe: for every one of the children of Israel shall keep himself to the inheritance of the tribe of his fathers.

    A lawgiver will not sit and judge according to tradition until Shiloh (Messiah) comes, who is from the tribe of Judah.

  15. Phil K says:

    Greg & Barbara,

    If the scepter departed Judah in 6 AD because of the Roman occupation (Shiloh had come, but he was a young boy in Nazareth), which is why the Jews could not put Jesus to death, when did they get it back in the form of the British Throne?

    If the British Throne claims to be the line of David, does that make Charles or William a candidate for the anit-Christ?

  16. Phil K says:

    If we are in R6, and R6 is the Beginning of Sorrows, the second part of R7 the Rapture, and Temple built at the beginning of R11 along with the ministry of the Two Witnesses, is the start of the 70th Week indicated by
    Revelation 10:7?

    [7] but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.
    NKJV

  17. @Greg – It appears that you are endorsing British Israel philosophy, with the Sceptre of Judah in Britain. I have studied a bit of this and disagree. In fact, several years ago I read Yair Davidy’s work and cannot come to the same conclusions.

  18. The word “Jew” is misunderstood completely. It has so many meanings today that it is rendered relatively unusable IMO. Anyone with a “Jewish” last name is counted as a “Jew.” But who are the real “Jews?” As we define the word today –

    1. Anyone converting to the Jewish religion.
    2. Anyone from the tribe of Judah.
    3. Anyone with a Jewish last name.
    4. Anyone whom we decide belongs to the dark side.

    As you can see, there is a lot of confusion. Most people just lump everyone together and start slinging accusations. There are many other nationalities, races and religious persuasions in charge of the economy, yet the focus is always on the Jews, with no clear definition of what the meaning is of that word. This is ignorance, and has been propagated by none other than a person who is venerated by the so-called “liberty” movement, Eustace Mullins. He wrote a vile book titled “The Biological Jew” in which he equates Jews to parasites. This is just more filth stemming from the bowels of depravity such as the “Constantine Creed” that I previously posted.

    In my opinion, it is time to rise up out of the trenches of ignorance, put our prejudices behind us, and start looking at people for what and who they are, and not what religion or race they are affiliated with. I don’t care if a Globalist is a Jew, Catholic, Hungarian, German, Russian, American, Mexican, Protestant, Atheist, or whatever label you want to put on him/her. If he/she is a Globalist and is working for the NWO, then that person is working for the dark side. Period. Any other division is merely a distraction.

  19. Greg says:

    @ Phil.

    Still going through that website you gave. Lots of information on there and I tend to agree with much of it so for. Man, that’s alot to ingest.

    This video from that site kind of explains my my most recent post.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....38;index=1

    This is an actual Jew as they are called today, but DOES recognize who the true Israel is. Me lumping all Jews was my mistake earlier as I explained in most recent post. Perhaps I should of labled them as the International Judaic, many not wishing to be labeled as antisemite, will label them as globalists, or bankers etc.

    (From a secular perspective, who runs the planet? Federal Reserve banks and globalists. They enslave the planet with their funny money and will usher in their messiah (antichrist/satan) He who has the power to create money from nothing, has influence over all. Look up the names of who owns the largest banks. You will find it’s a very kosher affair.)

    This jew, in the video above, even mentions Britain as they should be, and having the sceptre of judah. The stone that Jacob slept on in the desert, is still used today to coronate a new King/Queen it currently resides right under the chair.

    And yes, I realize that Christ changed everything as anyone can be saved hence my scripture earlier about those called by MY name 2 Chron 7:14 CHRIST–ians

    All of Isreal is regathered back together but it’s after the 2nd advent when new Jerusalem descends etc. Happens AFTER Christ cleans up the mess.

    BUT these Internatioanl Judaica or more people are comfortable calling them Globalists, are making this country Israel out to be the Israelites, so it is VERY important to recognize this is going on. That’s what I meant earlier saying that all prophecy will occur as stated, BUT the globalists are making all the Israel prophecy to appear to be happening now, which is the plan since satan comes first then Christ.

    Jesus would not warn us specifically to be ware of those that say they are Jews but ARE NOT. Rev 2:9 and Rev 3:9

    I realize in previous post I may have come off as jew bashing, and that wasn’t my purpose. I was trying to overcomplicate the process. Maybe getting into who the actual father of Cain was, was a bit much to absorb, but was just trying to shed light on why these Kenites do what they do. JOHN 8:44

  20. Greg says:

    @ Barbara and Phil,

    I know these topics about jews raises up questions of “antisemitism” as they like to so call it. those that are in power, usually have the ability to keep people from speaking ill of them as well. If I were to live in Europe there is a very good chance I could be jailed for typing all this about the “imposter” jews.

    I had put in another post that the House of Israel are the twelve tribes and not just Judah, my apologies for not putting that in previous post. Just trying to keep these from turning into novels.

    Pontius Pilate was the Roman emporer but he tried SEVERAL times to let Jesus go, as he saw no fault in him. Matter of fact he was “more the fraid” and wanted to let him go John 19:8

    Here is the complete story from the Bible.

    John 18:28-40 and John 19: 1-16

    It’s made quite clear who put the screws to Pontius to do this. The last thing Pontius needed at his precarious position was a jewish uprising in his province, so he did their will but HE DID now want to.

    Now the Hosea verse quoted by Phil is talking about Jews, as that is about the House of Judah. As I said before, they were called Jews.

    As far as “imposter” I should explain that a bit better. As it is confusing and I did not put that in last post, but in a previous post.

    ANTI in English means opposite, like antifreeze etc. So we would naturally assume it would mean an opposite of Christ.

    However in GREEK and this is from sTrong Concordance:

    Anti: Greek word # 473: anti (an-tee’); a primary particle; opposite, i.e. instead of, or because of (rarely in addition to): for, instead of, in place of (something) Often used in composition to denote substitution.

    Basically it would be an instead of Christ or a substitute Christ, hence Satan acting very Christ like and very easy to deceive even the very elect.

    IN essence what the Jews of today have done is substituted themselves into prophecy as the house of Israel proclaiming to be the chosen. Jews today are a religion, you can even convert to Judaism. So you, as a Christian, could convert to Judaism if you like, but of course you would have to adopt their Talmud teachings as well.

    Whereas Jews in the Bible are a tribe of Judah or are from a locale. It is not a religion. Sort of like you could live in Germany but would call yourself an American.

    I use imposter to mean the same, so I apologize for that confusion. I am by no means saying Jews are all evil, anymore than I’m saying all Americans are evil based on what their government does. What I”m saying is a lineage of people, Kenites, that are alive today and are the same group Jesus speaks of in John 8:44. They are paving the way for their Messiah (Satan) to inherit his kingdom during Tribulation.

    There is zero chance a Christian would willingly worship Satan (antichrist) unless he was fooled into doing it.

    2 Cor 11:13-15…even Satan is transformed into an angel of light.

    IN a nutshell, and I realize it’s hard to wrap one’s head around this, is that all this stuff about jews and chosen ones and being imposters is to fulfill prophecy as it is written. They have very effectively used Satan’s agenda to fulfill prophecy but have installed themselves as the biblical House of Israel, just because they named their country Israel. If the country was named anything else the scam would not work. All the prophecy does occur, but they are making it appear before it should, so SATAN at the 5th trump looks like the true Christ. The real Christ comes at 7th trump (last trump).

    So the first super natural being to show up will look like the real Christ when in actuality it is the antichrist. I realize now after trying to simplify this and how hard it was to put into words, as to how I’ve confused you. Sorry about that.

  21. Glad to have you in the discussion, Adam ;)

  22. Sharonah says:

    Just a comment about “not knowing the day nor hour”, the listeners knew exactly what Yeshua meant — there is only one feast in which no one knows the day nor hour–and that is Feast of Trumpets because it is on the first day of the month. This day starts at sundown only after the new moon has been sited. So, we know that his coming is on this feast by understanding this Jewish saying. We just don’t know which year. But once the two witnesses show up and the Beast then we will know that it is 3 1/2years. Praise Yah. Halleluia.

  23. Phil K says:

    Greg,

    After reading your post again all I get is complication and confusion. Your teaching just doesn’t seem right as I don’t sense from you God’s overall character and purpose which is Love and Redemption. The Jews didn’t kill Christ, neither did the Romans. I did. Christ died for me. The crucifixion was an accomplishment, not a tragedy. Without it and the resurrection of Christ from the dead I am damned without hope. Without the Jews (all the tribes of Israel), this would not have happened.

    As far as who is “jewish” and who is not and what tribe they are from is for God to sort out. By getting wrapped up in strange teachings which is the style of the secret societies, the things you are advocating provide no hope. As far as impostors, you could say that about those who profess to be Christian as well (again the secret society influence). But the fact is the people who are known as Jews are in the same land named Israel with the same capital and speaking the original language. Do the Jews permeate the world population? Most certainly. The Temple will soon be rebuilt which is pretty amazing! These people are necessary to accomplish the stated purpose of the 70 Weeks described in Daniel 9:24.

    If there is no rapture of those who believe in Jesus as Messiah then who is the group in R7? Certainly not martyrs, or it would say they are. I know the teachings you’re talking about from those that use the term “pre-trib”. I don’t agree with them either, but I don’t totally reject the rapture because of a dispute about timing. Jesus said many will come in His name and say Jesus is the Christ and yet deceive many. (This is not to be confused with those who falsely claim to be a prophet or even the messiah.)

    I think the key to seeing the rapture is recognizing that not everything after R5 is the 70th week. The way I see it the 70th Week begins shortly before the Temple is measured in R11, that R6 is the Beginning of Sorrows and we are in R6 now. If I am seeing this correctly, it will be confirmed by the next major event which is a financial collapse (Black) and from that we we see massive starvation, violence and Death (Pale) as the result.

    I see the rapture itself is hidden the way it is, as a mystery, even to people today so that it may be denied by those left behind “that they should believe the lie”. In the 6th Seal, which is just before R7 there is a earthquake which moves every island and mountain out of it’s place. This massive earthquake will not only cause great damage, but also many tsunami that will devastate the population centers on the coastlines. There will be millions upon millions missing and unaccounted for. Those who remain will say the missing died in the EQ & flood, that there was no rapture. (Just as they are saying now) Belief in the rapture like salvation itself requires faith now and will test the faith of those left behind as well.

    Interestingly Daniel 9:26 which is the interval verse between the 69th and 70th Weeks says that the end of it (the interval) shall be with a flood. Jesus Himself said as it was in the days of Noah; and Isaiah 54:7-10 mentions a gathering of God’s people, a Noah-like flood and the mountains and hills being moved. This appears to be a reference to and description of the 6th Seal. It is a well established pattern of God to deliver His people through water. Noah, Moses, Joshua, and finally Jesus Himself walked on the water.

    There must be a rapture. When the Christians are removed all that remain are the Jews and the heathens. Satan will then know who the Jews are and who he must try to kill. The Jews are the ones who call Jesus Messiah back (Hosea 5:15). This is the significance of the 70th Week and why it is for the Jews and cannot be for the Christians. If satan can succeed in killing off all the Jews, it will be a way to keep Jesus from returning. But God will protect a faithful remnant for this purpose. God will sort it out who is Jew and who is not.

    He shall call to the heavens from above,
    And to the earth, that He may judge His people:
    Gather My saints together to Me,
    Those who have made a covenant with Me by sacrifice.”
    Let the heavens declare His righteousness,
    For God Himself is Judge. Selah
    Psalm 50:4-6 NKJV

    So in the spirit of the subject matter of this gracious lady’s blog, I fully agree the Horses are being released. And we will soon see the full effect of the final two.

    Phil

  24. Adam Roberts says:

    Greg, Phil, and (of course) Ms Barb – THANK YOU so much for the great information.. I have learned more about the end times in this one post and it’s subsequent responses than I did in a decade of church attendence…
    FWIW I grew up as a Church of Christ member (‘have to be baptised to be saved) then a Baptist (no baptism required – just faith) but I finally figured out that SPIRITULISM is the real way to God…

    Thanks again-

    Adam

  25. The Messiah was killed by Pontius Pilate, a Roman governor. Since the New Testament was in the Vatican vaults for around 400 years with the original letters added to and subtracted from until the message was all but obfuscated before publication with the Old Testament, there is no doubt that blame would have been cast on “all Jews” for being a part of the sheeple who allowed and cheered on the Roman governor in the act because that’s what governments (religious or civil)do.

    Do we see the brainwashing going on now? You betcha. We see what the government and religious “authorities” want us to see, and most react like we are programmed to react.

    Consider this reflection of the Roman sentiment regarding Jews. This sentiment was not acquired because they supposedly “killed” Messiah. He attended the synagogues and was of the tribe of Judah. Why would Rome supposedly avenge Messiah by wiping out his tribe and re-writing the law as set down in the very same book that He and the Apostles used to proselytize? Doesn’t make sense. The only book around was the Old Testament because the New hadn’t been written yet.

    The Constantine Creed

    “I renounce all customs, rites, legalisms, unleavened breads and sacrifices of lambs of the Hebrews, and all the other feasts of the Hebrews, sacrifices, prayers, aspirations, purifications, sanctifications, and propitiations, and fasts and new moons, and Sabbaths, and superstitions, and hymns and chants, and observances and synagogues. absolutely everything Jewish, every Law, rite and custom and if afterwards I shall wish to deny and return to Jewish superstition, or shall be found eating with Jews, or feasting with them, or secretly conversing and condemning the Christian religion instead of openly confuting them and condemning their vain faith, then let the trembling of Cain and the leprosy of Gehazi cleave to me, as well as the legal punishments to which I acknowledge myself liable. And may I be an anathema in the world to come, and may my soul be set down with Satan and the devils.”

    (Stefano Assemani, Acta Sanctorium Martyrum Orientalium at Occidentalium, Vol. 1, Rome 1748, page 105)

    Furthermore, any follower of the “Jewish Rabbi” (Rebbe Yeshua) who wished to join this “holy community” was compelled to adopt a different set of rules and customs. Subsequently special creeds were drafted, to which the Christian would have to swear such as:

    “I accept all customs, rites, legalism, and feasts of the Romans, sacrifices. Prayers, purifications with water, sanctifications by Pontificus Maxmus (high priests of Rome), propitiations, and feasts, and the New Sabbath “So! dei” (day of the Sun, ), all new chants and observances, and all the foods and drinks of the Romans. In other words, I absolutely accept everything Roman, every new law, rite and custom, of Rome, and the New Roman Religion.”

    Additionally, in approximately 365 AD, the Council of Laodicea wrote, in one of their canons:

    Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day. Rather, honoring the Lord’s Day. But if any shall be found to be Judaizers, let them be anathema (against) from Christ”.

    Note: Protestants are included as they still observe the holidays and sabbath of Rome, as in “are you going to church this coming Lord’s day”.

    Concerning Antiochus Epiphanes…

    He set up an image of Zeus in the Temple which was the Abomination of Desolation spoken of in Daniel 11. For 3 years, he continued to desecrate the Temple.

    These were the new laws that Antiochus set up:

    Thou shall profane the Sabbath
    Thou shall change the set times (festivals) and laws
    Thou shall set up idols
    Thou shall eat unclean animals
    Thou shall not circumcise
    Thou shall forget Torah

    3 years and 2 months later, the Temple was taken back and rededicated. This is known as the Feast of Dedication, or Festival of Lights, or Hanukkah.

    What’s really ironic…..these laws were created by an antichrist Antiochus, and are the same things Constantine would later repeat and this is what people want to live by today. Totally going against God’s Word. People today are living under laws created by Antiochus and Constantine; an antichrist.

    http://natzrim.blogspot.com/20.....creed.html

    So, what we have is a Roman governor, supposedly acting on encouragement from the “Jews” to kill the Messiah. Yet, the “Jews” were not in a position of authority. In fact, they were hated by Rome. Messiah was scorned and derided by those religious “Jews” who saw Him as a heretic, and willingly went along with having him killed. However, it was not their decision. That decision lay squarely on the shoulders of Pilate.

    Doesn’t it make more sense that the government used the death of Messiah to kill two birds with one stone? The true Messiah was dead, and the hated “Jews” were blamed, so a new false religion was set up on the bones of both, attempting to obliterate any sign of either.

    P.S. The spiritual nation of Israel is not merely the tribe of Judah (Jews). It is all 12 tribes: Reuben, Simeon, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Benjamin, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Ephraim and Manasseh.

  26. Phil K says:

    Greg, sorry, the link was spelled wrong, here’s a copy & paste

    http://endtimepilgrim.org/metonic.htm
    also
    http://endtimepilgrim.org/fallfeasts.htm

    I’m still grying to figure out what it is you’re talking about the Jews not being Jews and that Israel is really the USA & GB. Yes the Jews were scattered, but they are back in the land. Do you have a scriptural argument for who is who? Fro m what you have written here and I need to dig deeper into it, I don’t get it. Where does the word “imposter” come from? I thought that is a satanic reference. In R7 there are 144K from each tribe sealed, so I’m assuming even though we may not know who they are God does. I don’t undersestimate God when it comes to fulfilling prophecy exactly as written.

    Btw donkeys don’t talk either, but Balaam’s did. And serpents can be snakes, just as Moses’s and Aaron’s staff turned into serpents which were snakes. Also the bronze serpent as a model of Christ in Num 21 connecting the serpent reference in John 3.

    I’ll read your post again and get back to you after dinner.

    Phil

  27. Greg says:

    @Phil….

    I do agree completely that it’s an actual temple, just thought Adam had a unique way of thinking on it, hence my saying I like the question.

    I did attempt to go to that website you have listed but it was not found, apparently link is spelled wrong or something.

    I had posted earlier that prophecy was hard to interpret when we don’t accurately know the players. Isreal that you are speaking of is NOT the country that is there now. I know you assume this, cause you mention the covenant in Gen: 15.

    When people assume these imposters are Israel it makes it impossible to accurately see the truth. There are markers all over genesis describing who the real Israel people are and what they will become.

    Most mention numbered as sands of the sea, stars in the sky and a company of great nations etc.
    Gen 12:2
    Gen 13:16
    Gen 15:5
    Gen 17:6
    Gen 18:18
    Gen 22:18
    GEn 26:4….i”ll stop here as I think you are getting my point about being a bunch of them

    Now pay attention to this one:Gen 28:14…spreading to east, west north and south etc.

    Gen 35:10-11 kings come out of thy loins.

    GEn 48:19-20…..shall be a GREAT People and a multitude of nations, and ( This is Great Britain and America by the way)

    At one time the British empire dominated the world and was a company of great nations. The sun never set on it.

    Gen 49:22 strictly talking about Manasseh as America comes from Great britain.

    When the northern kingdom was conquered those 10 tribes were “lost”. Well they were scattered around the world and not lost to God. And yes, those Israelites lost their identity as few really know what and who they are. Most have been bamboozled into thinking these present day “jews” are the Israel of the bible and it’s simply false.

    The percentage of present day “jews” is miniscule compared to world population, none of those verses describe these imposters.

    Plus most of the convenants the Israelites are to be a blessing to the nations. Most of your Christian nations have fed the world, spread the gospel and actually done the work of Christ.

    My comments in parentheses.

    2 Chronicles 7:14….if my people, which are called by my name (CHRIST-ians) shall humble themselves, and pray and seek my face…..

    The world would of long ago been full blown communism years ago if it were not for the Christian nations. Unforunately, now it is as the day of Noah and even these once great Christian nations are showing very little in the way of Christianity. We are actually starting to become the scourge of the Earth as these “israel” imposters use our military to do their dirty work.

    The present day imposters don’t even believe Christ came the first time. And all over 1 John and 2 John it talks about those that don’t believe that Christ came in the flesh are of the antichrist. For crying out loud, they killed Christ the first time he came. What we Christians have got to learn is that a Jew, is someone from the tribe of Judah or from Judea, that’s it. Hence Jesus being labeled a Jew.

    The jewish religoin of today has hijacked the term jew and israel to deceive the masses. Again, this is all due to end time prophecies. The only thing the present day Isreal has to do with prophecy is that Jerusalem is Mystery Babylon, and will thereby be the headquarters of Satan to set up shop. IT has to be that way in order to fool the Christians.

    The imposter jews, are not chosen and come from various areas and Jesus even calls them out in John 8:44. Jesus knew who they were, and was referring to those that were from the lineage of CAIN. That’s made pretty clear with mentioning first murderer etc.

    To fully understand it helps to know what really happened in the Garden of Eden. Cain was someone endowed with much knowledge and even built the first city. I’ll give you some hints, cause if I flat out say it most will dismiss it and move on. Reread the garden of Eden and forget all you’ve been taught. Read it for what it says.
    Here are a few hints to figure it out:

    Proverbs 30:20 for another contextual meaning of “eating”

    Serpent is NOT a snake. Snakes can’t talk, but Satan can. It’s another name for Satan. Rev 12:9
    Can’t think of it at the moment but there’s a scriputre that says Lucifer was in the garden of Eden.

    Adam and Eve covered their body parts, not their mouths when discovered.

    Eve was beguiled. MEntioned again in 2 Cor 11:3…

    Gen 4: Eve bare a son, and immediately she bare again. (twins)

    There are actual fruit trees in the garden for eating, but TWO trees were given names. You’ll figure out who they are as you go.

    Now the biggest evidence of all, the first prophecy of the Bible and ask yourself what on earth did God mean by seed against seed?

    Gen 3:15….I will type this out with my comments in parentheses.

    And I (God) will up enmity between thee (Satan) and the woman, (Eve) and between thy (Satan’s) seed (offspring) and her (Eve’s) seed (offspring); it (Jesus) shall bruise they head, and thou shalt bruise his heel (Jesus crucifixion)

    From umbilical cord to umbilical cord Eve’s offspring with her next son SETH leads to the birth of Christ and the the saving of us all. Cain, on the other hand, went an entirely different route. There’s a great book called Sargon the Magnificent that Sidney Bristowe wrote that proves using Archeaolgy that this Sargon was Cain from the Bible.

    As far as rapture, every verse I’ve ever been shown that tries to prove it is actually the 2nd advent, so I have to respectfully disagree with you there, unless you can show me something else to look at. Many of those verses have been mentioned in previous posts, so I won’t extend this any further.

    In fairness though, when I was first saved I was eating up prophecy from Van IMpe, Hagee, LaHaye and many of these other peddlers. I was a solid rapture believer, cause that’s what they teach. But stuff just didn’t set right with me and it was very difficult to relearn and try to forget what I had been taught. Just read, read, read your Bible and if you are truly looking it will open up to you.

    God Bless.

  28. Phil K says:

    Greg & Adam,

    Regarding the Temple. Check Revelation 11.

    Revelation 11:1-2 NKJV
    [1] Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. [2] But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.

    It seems unlikely that this is an alagory to a human body. Also, consider the strong desire of the Jews to rebuild the Temple on the Temple Mount and all thier preparations for it. They’ve very recently started training priests in the Temple rituals.

    If Syria is provoked and launches on Israel, Damacus will be destroyed (Isaiah 17). The neighboring countries will declare that Israel should not be a nation and attack (Psalm 83) Israel destroys the attackers, expandes its boutndries to the Euphrates and Nile (Abrahamic Covenant, Gen 15). The prince who is to come begins the 70th Week of Daniel by confirming that covenant (Dan 9:27). This will allow the Jews to rebuild the Temple as we see completed in R11.

    A website with some good info about the possible start years for the 70th Week, and how the remaining Feasts will be prophetically fulfilled is at endtimepilgrem.org/metonic The next candidate start date is Rosh Hashanna 2014. With the way things are going, and the tetrad of eclipes beginning in April, it has strong potential.

    Consider too that just as the Law was not given to the Gentiles, neither was the prophecy of the 70 Weeks. “Seventy weeks are determined for YOUR PEOPLE AND YOUR HOLY CITY,” Dan 9:24 (emphasis added). This is just one of many many reasons I believe in a pre-70th Week rapture.

    I realise some in this forum don’t believe in the rapture, but I do not want to be found not waiting or looking for His return for His Bride. Neither do I think Jesus wants the crap beat out of His Bride just before the wedding. To allow the believers to remain and die just doesn’t make sense. I think the “restrainer” is the Bride.

    We are close to the start of the 70th Week. I think the next year will be full of amazing events. The rapture may not be far off.

    Phil

  29. Greg says:

    Hey Adam,

    I’m not one to automatically dismiss something just because it doesn’t agree with my own beliefs, and I’m most certainly not a Bible scholar. Just a dude that reads and studies his Bible for what it says, I learned years ago that most of these present day Bible scholars are WAYYYYYYY off on stuff.

    In my opinion, it’s because satan’s minions have infiltrated the seminaries as well, to distort the truth.

    Anyway, to answer your question I wouldn’t think so. I only say that cause that would have to be us mimicking some kind of resurrection of some kind with 3 days. Now we do transform into our spiritual bodies at Christ’s 2nd coming, not a rapture, his actual 2nd coming. 7th trump. Now Rev. Ch 19 is the same event, just with much more vivid details for those confused as to why it’s mentioned again later on in REvelation.

    I would say it would have to be an actual temple building though. Satans’ job is get the Christians to worship him, the other people don’t matter, he already has them. He wants the Christains, so the deception would have to be awesome to accomplish this. Satan knows there’s a new jerusalem that descends so he’d have to do something to convince Christians of this. New temple, new Jerusalem so to speak. That would be my best answer to you, although I do like the question. Got me thinking.

  30. Adam Roberts says:

    Greg in John 2:19 Jesus tells the Pharisees “tear down this temple and I will rebuild it in three days” .. they thought He was talking about the physical temple BUILDING while He was actually referring to His body.. (after three days he rose).. now, the abomination that causes desolation.. could the temple in this prophecy be the same thing – our BODIES and not the building??

  31. Greg says:

    @ Rick.

    That’s awesome about white horse, I agree with you as well. The word that throws everyone is the “conquering”. We tend to think of that as military aggression; however, that is the only time in the ENTIRE Bible that you will find the word conquering.

    And there is alot of battles and fights to not be using that word more often, so have to take it into context and that’s exactly what is all about DECEPTION.